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jags
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« on: June 06, 2012, 01:29:00 AM »

Tent question. i have two hilleberg akto i find it to small cramped,
and mountain hardware spear gt2 great tent but i find it hard to pitch but loads of room.
So my stupid question ,
i was think of selling these two tents and getting a free standing  pitch all in one  tent, must have loads of room  light ,strong reliably poles easy to pitch not cost a bloody fortune.
so what should i be looking for .thanks
jags.
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« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2012, 03:37:40 AM »

Hi jags,

It is really important to be happy with your tent. It is your home away from home, your refuge, and protection. As nice as your tents are (and they are really nice!), I can surely see why you might well wish for another.

Most people I know who tour prefer to have a larger tent, and usually choose one size larger than themselves. For example, a single person might buy a 2-person tent, and a couple might choose a 3-person tent. The idea is most tents offer pretty tight quarters at their rated capacity and having that little bit more room gives one space to spread out a bit and even take the rest of their gear inside, where it is readily accessible during extended bad weather.

Of course, there are always exceptions to the rule, and I guess I'm one of them. I go for minimal tents, leave my stuff outside, and only stay in the tent when I'm sleeping, so don't listen to me.  Wink

I like to look at the REI (Recreational Equipment, Inc. co-op) user reviews to see how tents work for users in the field. The tents and reviews for them appear here: http://www.rei.com/category/4500001_Tents+and+Shelters

One I can suggest you look at is the Big Agnes Fly Creek UL3 tent. See: http://www.rei.com/product/807368/big-agnes-fly-creek-ul3-tent There are some videos and 360° views there, too.

Here is a video of one guy putting it up alone: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4813ZNsCwg He has the main tent all up and pitched by the 2min30sec mark of the video. The only thing lacking is the wind stabilizers/pullouts and vestibule.

It is free-standing, and should be plenty roomy for one person. Floor space is 90x66in/229 x 167 centimeters, and it has a vestibule. 42in/107cm high. It weighs 3lb3oz/1.4kg, and packs down to a pretty small bundle, considering: 5x20in/13cmx51cm. I saw one being pitched at the local store, and it went up pretty quickly. The downside? It's USD$450, which is not cheap. It is a cheery gold inside (floor) with a grey fly to help it blend in to its surroundings.

It is billed as the lightest, double-wall, free-standing tent on the market according to the Big Agnes spokesman on the REI video. It is certainly packable for a bike tour. The weight listed is without stuff sacks, stakes, or footprint. You really need to get a footprint to protect the floor of the tent and so extend its service life. I made mine, and have been very happy with the result. Some lightweight woven plastic tarp, some ultralight nylon d-rings to attach it to the pole ends, and some ultralight nylon grosgrain ribbon and I'm set. It cost me about $4 and a few minutes' time at the sewing machine. It won't last forever (neither would the tent floor without it!), but it can be easily replaced when it wears out.

The trouble is, like all tents of this sort where the inner goes up first, it's going to get wet inside until you can get the fly up (second). This is a real problem if you're setting up camp in a torrential rainstorm. I've done it, and that's where the sponge comes in.  Cheesy This is a very light tent for its size, but if you're going to be regularly pitching it in a rainstorm (Oregon or Ireland?), then it might well pay to get a model that pitches fly-first or fly-and-inner-at-once, so the interior stays nice and dry while it's being setup.

My Dutch friend highly prizes his 3-man Tatonka Alaska for solo touring, and it is indeed very nice (I spent a good part of 5 weeks in it as well). I have pitched it alone and it goes up pretty quickly for such a large tent. Trouble is, it packs large and weighs about 3kg. Worth every bit of it to him for the comfort and space. Understandable, but we approach tenting from a slightly different perspective, so our priorities differ.

Hope this helps!

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Dan.
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« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2012, 09:03:02 AM »

The rule for bicycle components applies equally to tents:

Cheap, light, strong - choose any two.
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« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2012, 01:25:00 AM »

thanks lads sorry for late reply. Embarrassed
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« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2012, 06:23:53 AM »

I like my Hilleberg Staika load's of room but a Allak is lighter!

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« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2012, 11:25:08 AM »

pete have you seen the price of those tents  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #6 on: August 12, 2012, 12:14:16 PM »

pete have you seen the price of those tents  Roll Eyes
Yep. $US450 is not super-cheap, not super expensive either.... but.......

Tents with internal pitch and fly draped over poles - not so strong in winds.

Inner tent with ~50% mosquito netting = lots of dust blown all over your gear (and self), not so warm on cold autumn nights.

Poles with hub-connectors - prone to failure.


So cheap ?; light - yes; strong ??  They don't delight me.
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« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2012, 02:16:28 PM »

ah  guess i'll stick with my Akto for light touring and mountain hardware for longer trecks.
i can't afford to buy an umbrella these days  Embarrassed Grin

Who started this this conversation anyway  Roll Eyes
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« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2012, 06:44:26 PM »

pete have you seen the price of those tents  Roll Eyes

Yes I got one.

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« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2012, 06:48:11 PM »

Yep. $US450 is not super-cheap, not super expensive either.... but.......

Tents with internal pitch and fly draped over poles - not so strong in winds.

Inner tent with ~50% mosquito netting = lots of dust blown all over your gear (and self), not so warm on cold autumn nights.

Poles with hub-connectors - prone to failure.


So cheap ?; light - yes; strong ??  They don't delight me.

A?
It got NO hub?
All the netting is covered with door's!
Are you thinking of a MSR?
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« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2012, 11:35:37 PM »

Ah.... OK. Wrong Pete replying to a post. I was talking about the Big Agnes Fly Creek Danneaux linked to. Hillebergs are excellent tents, similar to my Exped. High quality, not superlight but lightweight overall.

My comments do apply: cheap, light, strong - choose any two.
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« Reply #11 on: August 13, 2012, 09:17:18 PM »

I was tent shopping on the weekend at Macpac. The best was their Minaret at about 2.4kg with enough room for 1 person comfortably. Unfortunately the price was 750AUD but they are often on sale and you could get it for half that if you were patient.
I don't know if you can get these in the UK but they are certainly worth a look.
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« Reply #12 on: August 13, 2012, 09:24:36 PM »

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was tent shopping on the weekend at Macpac. The best was their Minaret at about 2.4kg with enough room for 1 person comfortably.

Is it this model, Phil?
http://www.macpac.co.nz/shop/en_nz/gear-and-clothing/tents/tents-trek/minaret.html

I looks nice, but oh! the price!  If you can get it for around half-off, then it looks like a good deal.  Smiley A true tunnel tent surely has a lot of living comfortable space inside for its size.

I found a video review of it here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XTHaEQX6jxw

Yep! Cotswold Outdoor ( http://www.cotswoldoutdoor.com/index.cfm/product/macpac-minaret-tent/fuseaction/products.detail/code/72110119/id_colour/98 )has them for £350. UK outlets for Cotswold are here: http://www.cotswoldoutdoor.com/index.cfm/fuseaction/main.shops

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« Reply #13 on: August 13, 2012, 11:02:06 PM »

Yes thats the model. Its highly regarded as a backpacking tent here in Tassie and would suit cycletouring well, but I agree, the price is over the odds. I think they have them at that price and then put them on 'sale' and sell them what they are actually worth so the punters think they are getting a bargin!
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« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2012, 10:08:10 AM »

I was tent shopping on the weekend at Macpac. The best was their Minaret at about 2.4kg with enough room for 1 person comfortably. Unfortunately the price was 750AUD but they are often on sale and you could get it for half that if you were patient.
I don't know if you can get these in the UK but they are certainly worth a look.

Macpac where once made in New Zealand, where made with the best.
I stopped buying any Macpac after they stopped being made in N.Z.
Sad day it was  Cry

I still have a Old Macpac Tent that was made in N.Z. after 15+ year's of hard camping (about 20 weekend's a year)

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